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From: R.U. Steinberg
Date: Oct 29, 2018 9:49AM

Don, imagine this is a table with hundreds of rows, like a list of names or
accounts. The row number would obviously be a good visual queue. I was just
thinking if a screen reader was already telling users what row they're on,
would I need a column dedicated to just the row number?

If I was navigating an Excel spreadsheet, I'd know through screen reader I
if I was in the A column, that's the first column. Visually you can see the
row numbers. As I down arrow in column A, screen readers will tell you what
cell you're in, but do they announce that cell A100 is row 100?

Just trying to see if I can replicate that sort of user experience for an
HTML table.

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM Don Mauck < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Are you wanting to use that hidden column as your row header? I can tell
> that using a row number as a row header would drive screen reader users,
> crazy. Developers here tried that and I got so many complaints that I'm
> having UIX teams rethink that. The other question I have is what does the
> visual user see?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Isabel Holdsworth < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:43 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Table with hidden first column
>
> Would role="presentation" work?
>
> Just out of interest, could it cause confusion if you hide some visual
> information from screenreaders if, for example, a screenreader user is
> collaborating with someone who can see the screen?
>
> On 29/10/2018, R.U. Steinberg < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > I have a table where visually I want to display a first column with
> > row numbers. At the same time, I want to hide that column from screen
> readers.
> > I don't even want screen readers to announce it in its count of the
> > number of columns. Is there a method that will work for JAWS, NVDA, and
> VoiceOver?
> >
> > JAWS likes aria-hidden="true" but not other screen readers.
> >
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