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From: Andrews, David B (DEED)
Date: Mar 25, 2024 1:06PM

JAWS has a 40-minute demo -- which some people have used for testing. This is what is not permitted by the JAWS license. If you pay the $100 per year, everything is fine.

JAWS inspect visually shows you, on the screen, what JAWS would be saying.

No matter the screen reader, the user must be proficient in its use. Unless you use it regularly, no one, sighted or blind is going to be any good at testing.

Dave



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Dean,

Perhaps things changed. I thought that a few years ago they placed a restriction and people were supposed to buy a separate license to use JAWS in that manner. Looking online just now they offer JAWS inspect but that seems different from what I recall a few years back.

Doug Hayman
IT Accessibility Coordinator
Information Technology
Olympic College
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I’m not sure about any restrictions for jaws testing web because I’m a jaws user and I do it regularly.
Once upon a time it was very expensive to purchase jaws but it’s only about $100 a year now for the license so definitely a worthwhile business expense And NVDA is also a very good tool to use.
But I definitely recommend consulting with regular screen reader users to assist in testing Dean Vasile


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> On Mar 25, 2024, at 2:07 PM, Hayman, Douglass < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
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> I'd recommend using NVDA in Windows. While JAWS may dominate the market, they do place restrictions on using their screen reader for testing web sites. NVDA doesn't have such a restriction.
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> A few good resources are:
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> https://weba/
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> I always "warn" people to first know how to quit NVDA as it can be confusing to escape out of it when control has changed.
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> And finally, know that you won't be the same as a person who uses a screen reader full time. Those folks likely use screen readers better and differently than sighted users and they should be consulted as well along the "for us by us" way of doing things.
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> Doug Hayman
> IT Accessibility Coordinator
> Information Technology
> Olympic College
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> Hello, WebAIM Nation -
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> My colleagues and I work in online education at a college. We are interested in becoming proficient enough in the use of a screen reader - or screen readers -- to effectively review the accessibility of digital resources like Word documents, PDF's and pages in our learning management system. We have tried to use the built-in trainers that come with VoiceOver and Narrator, but without much luck. We're also not certain if those are the best tools to use.
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> We have three questions to start:
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>
> * Is there a screen reader - or screen readers - that we should focus on?
> * Can you recommend training resources to help us develop proficiency?
> * Are we thinking about this correctly?
> Thanks for your help!
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> Evan
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> Evan Hatfield (he/him)
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