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From: Andrews, David B (DEED)
Date: Mar 26, 2024 9:31AM

It seems to me that if you are using JAWS in 40-minute mode, for testing -- that is commercial use, and not what they have in mind.!

Dave



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Hello all,

I admit this email thread caught me by surprise. Can anyone be more specific about where this JAWS restriction on testing can be found? Although I'm sure Freedom Scientific would much prefer that everyone bought a full license, when I reread the EULA from the JAWS download I only find two sentences that seem relevant.

"The 40 Minute Mode is provided as a limited time duration license mode of the Program, which can be used to get started during the installation process of the Program or for a limited demonstration of how the Program works." It does not say "can only."

"The 40 Minute Mode is not intended for commercial use other than use while waiting for an active license to use the Program or an associated key to arrive or be installed." I'm certainly no lawyer, but "commercial use" to me sounds like "selling a product," which is certainly not what I am doing if I were to use JAWS to test resources for accessibility issues prior to their purchase by a public university.

Am I missing information from somewhere else? Or has there been an actual court case over this? I'm sure General Counsels everywhere would like to know!

Thanks.

Leigh Mosley, MA, MLS, CPWA
Accessibility Coordinator
University of Tennessee Libraries
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Knoxville, TN 37996-1000
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Schedule a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/leighmosley




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If you’re paying the hundred dollars a year for the license to full license.
With your cited, or you are a blind screen reader user You should have no issues using it for testing.
JAWS inspect may be a cheaper license that I am not sure of, but they don’t want you using it on 40 minute mode, which is free.
Thank you very much. Have a great day.
Dean Vasile


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> On Mar 25, 2024, at 2:45 PM, Hayman, Douglass < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
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> Dean,
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> Perhaps things changed. I thought that a few years ago they placed a restriction and people were supposed to buy a separate license to use JAWS in that manner. Looking online just now they offer JAWS inspect but that seems different from what I recall a few years back.
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> Doug Hayman
> IT Accessibility Coordinator
> Information Technology
> Olympic College
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> I’m not sure about any restrictions for jaws testing web because I’m a jaws user and I do it regularly.
> Once upon a time it was very expensive to purchase jaws but it’s only about $100 a year now for the license so definitely a worthwhile business expense And NVDA is also a very good tool to use.
> But I definitely recommend consulting with regular screen reader users
> to assist in testing Dean Vasile
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>> On Mar 25, 2024, at 2:07 PM, Hayman, Douglass < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
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>> I'd recommend using NVDA in Windows. While JAWS may dominate the market, they do place restrictions on using their screen reader for testing web sites. NVDA doesn't have such a restriction.
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>> A few good resources are:
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>> I always "warn" people to first know how to quit NVDA as it can be confusing to escape out of it when control has changed.
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>> And finally, know that you won't be the same as a person who uses a screen reader full time. Those folks likely use screen readers better and differently than sighted users and they should be consulted as well along the "for us by us" way of doing things.
>>
>> Doug Hayman
>> IT Accessibility Coordinator
>> Information Technology
>> Olympic College
>> <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> (360) 475-7632
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>> Hello, WebAIM Nation -
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>> My colleagues and I work in online education at a college. We are interested in becoming proficient enough in the use of a screen reader - or screen readers -- to effectively review the accessibility of digital resources like Word documents, PDF's and pages in our learning management system. We have tried to use the built-in trainers that come with VoiceOver and Narrator, but without much luck. We're also not certain if those are the best tools to use.
>>
>> We have three questions to start:
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>>
>> * Is there a screen reader - or screen readers - that we should focus on?
>> * Can you recommend training resources to help us develop proficiency?
>> * Are we thinking about this correctly?
>> Thanks for your help!
>>
>> Evan
>>
>> Evan Hatfield (he/him)
>> Instructional Support Specialist
>> Distance Education + DSPS
>> College of the Redwoods
>> 707-476-4574
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