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From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Sun, Mar 03 2024 3:25AM
Subject: Idea/thoughts for future Screen Reader Survey
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Reposting this from mastodon ... seems I'm not the only one who'd
welcome this. An idea perhaps for the next SR survey?
https://mastodon.social/@patrick_h_lauke/112031097054442563
one thing that i'd love the WebAim screen reader survey to differentiate
better is how results break down by OS (mainly to be able to have more
segmented "on Mac, VoiceOver is effectively the only screen reader used"
or similar). it might then also reframe some of the other
statements/results, e.g. "71.6% of respondents use more than one
desktop/laptop screen reader" ... I suspect those 71.6% are effectively
Windows users?
...
i'd imagine a nice interface where you can switch between "global"
results, and then to specific OSs and have the relevant subsections just
filtered for a particular OS.
P
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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Sun, Mar 03 2024 11:54AM
Subject: Re: Idea/thoughts for future Screen Reader Survey
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Well, as far as I know there is only one screen reader on OSX and on
Linux, so any reference to multiple screen readers has to be Windows.
Also, last time I tested, Safari on Windows was entirely unusable with
a screen reader, so I assume Safari use must refer to OSX only.
The Safari and Voiceover use are very similar.
That being said, sure, being able to break the data down by OS is not
a bad idea.
On 3/3/24, Patrick H. Lauke < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Reposting this from mastodon ... seems I'm not the only one who'd
> welcome this. An idea perhaps for the next SR survey?
>
> https://mastodon.social/@patrick_h_lauke/112031097054442563
>
> one thing that i'd love the WebAim screen reader survey to differentiate
> better is how results break down by OS (mainly to be able to have more
> segmented "on Mac, VoiceOver is effectively the only screen reader used"
> or similar). it might then also reframe some of the other
> statements/results, e.g. "71.6% of respondents use more than one
> desktop/laptop screen reader" ... I suspect those 71.6% are effectively
> Windows users?
>
> ...
>
> i'd imagine a nice interface where you can switch between "global"
> results, and then to specific OSs and have the relevant subsections just
> filtered for a particular OS.
>
> P
> --
> Patrick H. Lauke
>
> * https://www.splintered.co.uk/
> * https://github.com/patrickhlauke
> * https://flickr.com/photos/redux/
> * https://mastodon.social/@patrick_h_lauke
>
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From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Sun, Mar 03 2024 2:07PM
Subject: Re: Idea/thoughts for future Screen Reader Survey
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On 03/03/2024 18:54, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
> Well, as far as I know there is only one screen reader on OSX and on
> Linux, so any reference to multiple screen readers has to be Windows.
> Also, last time I tested, Safari on Windows was entirely unusable with
> a screen reader, so I assume Safari use must refer to OSX only.
Well yes, thank you, I know all of that. But that's my point: having it
all mashed up together is slightly confusing/misleading for those not in
the know.
p.s.: Safari for Windows hasn't existed for aeons. And it's macOS, not OSX
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Patrick H. Lauke
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From: Barry
Date: Sun, Mar 03 2024 10:47PM
Subject: Re: Idea/thoughts for future Screen Reader Survey
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Yes, I agree that it would be useful to see a breakdown of Windows screen readers independent of the general section on desktop screen reader usage. I'd like to see a seprate section on Windows SR as well as the disclaimer about the Mac's choice of one.
Cheers
Barry
Cheers
Barry
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Subject: [WebAIM] Idea/thoughts for future Screen Reader Survey
Reposting this from mastodon ... seems I'm not the only one who'd welcome this. An idea perhaps for the next SR survey?
https://mastodon.social/@patrick_h_lauke/112031097054442563
one thing that i'd love the WebAim screen reader survey to differentiate better is how results break down by OS (mainly to be able to have more segmented "on Mac, VoiceOver is effectively the only screen reader used"
or similar). it might then also reframe some of the other statements/results, e.g. "71.6% of respondents use more than one desktop/laptop screen reader" ... I suspect those 71.6% are effectively Windows users?
...
i'd imagine a nice interface where you can switch between "global"
results, and then to specific OSs and have the relevant subsections just filtered for a particular OS.
P
--
Patrick H. Lauke
* https://www.splintered.co.uk/
* https://github.com/patrickhlauke
* https://flickr.com/photos/redux/
* https://mastodon.social/@patrick_h_lauke
From: Malthe Jepsen
Date: Mon, Mar 04 2024 1:42AM
Subject: Re: Idea/thoughts for future Screen Reader Survey
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Hi
Technically there are efforts to make a third party screen reader for MacOS, though it's way too early to be included in the survey I think. Info here:
https://github.com/Choominator/Vosh
Best
Malthe
> On 3 Mar 2024, at 19.54, Birkir R. Gunnarsson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Well, as far as I know there is only one screen reader on OSX and on
> Linux, so any reference to multiple screen readers has to be Windows.
> Also, last time I tested, Safari on Windows was entirely unusable with
> a screen reader, so I assume Safari use must refer to OSX only.
> The Safari and Voiceover use are very similar.
> That being said, sure, being able to break the data down by OS is not
> a bad idea.
>
>
> On 3/3/24, Patrick H. Lauke < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> Reposting this from mastodon ... seems I'm not the only one who'd
>> welcome this. An idea perhaps for the next SR survey?
>>
>> https://mastodon.social/@patrick_h_lauke/112031097054442563
>>
>> one thing that i'd love the WebAim screen reader survey to differentiate
>> better is how results break down by OS (mainly to be able to have more
>> segmented "on Mac, VoiceOver is effectively the only screen reader used"
>> or similar). it might then also reframe some of the other
>> statements/results, e.g. "71.6% of respondents use more than one
>> desktop/laptop screen reader" ... I suspect those 71.6% are effectively
>> Windows users?
>>
>> ...
>>
>> i'd imagine a nice interface where you can switch between "global"
>> results, and then to specific OSs and have the relevant subsections just
>> filtered for a particular OS.
>>
>> P
>> --
>> Patrick H. Lauke
>>
>> * https://www.splintered.co.uk/
>> * https://github.com/patrickhlauke
>> * https://flickr.com/photos/redux/
>> * https://mastodon.social/@patrick_h_lauke
>>
>> >> >> >> >>
>
>
> --
> Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
> > > >
From: Jared Smith
Date: Mon, Mar 04 2024 12:33PM
Subject: Re: Idea/thoughts for future Screen Reader Survey
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Hereâs some additional data that informs this wonderful questionâ¦
Primary screen reader reported by respondents that indicate Mac as their primary OS when using their primary screen reader:
* VoiceOver â 91%
* Other â 3.5%
* SuperNova â 2.8%
* ChromeVox â 2.1%
* JAWS - .7%
Primary screen reader reported by respondents that indicate Windows as their primary OS when using their primary screen reader:
* JAWS â 47.0%
* NVDA â 43.4%
* SuperNova â 3.8%
* ZoomText â 3.1%
* Narrator - .8%
* VoiceOver - .3%
* Others â 1.7%
For Mac, the responses other than the 93.8% that reported using VoiceOver or ChromeVox (the only 2 viable options on macOS) could perhaps be explained by user error/misunderstanding of the questions, such as someone using macOS as their primary OS, but using Windows for screen reader usage. Or maybe them using Parallels, Bootcamp, or similar to use a Windows screen reader within macOS or on Apple hardware.
The lower percentages represent few respondents. These anomalies are within a reasonable margin of error.
Thanks,
Jared