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From: Mike Warner
Date: Fri, Mar 22 2024 8:58AM
Subject: does unspoken on-screen text in videos need to be in the captions and transcript?
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Hi,
I thought that I saw once where any on-screen text in a video that's not
spoken needs to be in the captions, but I can't find it. So maybe my
memory is faulty? The W3C example video does not have the on-screen text
at the beginning of the video in the caption. The link for that video is
https://www.w3.org/WAI/perspective-videos/captions/
Is it required to put on-screen text from a video in the captions and this
is just a bad example, or is it not required? Maybe it's just good
practice?
Thank you,
Mike
Mike Warner
Director of IT Services
MindEdge Learning
From: tim.harshbarger@deque.com
Date: Fri, Mar 22 2024 9:14AM
Subject: Re: does unspoken on-screen text in videos need to be in thecaptions and transcript?
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It isn't required for captions. I would include it in a transcript though.
Keep in mind that captions are intended as an alternative for auditory information, not visual information. Audio description is intended as an alternative for visual information. At least for me, a transcript is the alternative for both auditory and visual information--if someone is using a transcript, then they are not likely using the multimedia simultaneously.
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Subject: [WebAIM] does unspoken on-screen text in videos need to be in the captions and transcript?
Hi,
I thought that I saw once where any on-screen text in a video that's not spoken needs to be in the captions, but I can't find it. So maybe my memory is faulty? The W3C example video does not have the on-screen text at the beginning of the video in the caption. The link for that video is https://www.w3.org/WAI/perspective-videos/captions/
Is it required to put on-screen text from a video in the captions and this is just a bad example, or is it not required? Maybe it's just good practice?
Thank you,
Mike
Mike Warner
Director of IT Services
MindEdge Learning
From: Hayman, Douglass
Date: Fri, Mar 22 2024 9:15AM
Subject: Re: - does unspoken on-screen text in videos need to be in thecaptions and transcript?
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My thoughts are audience-based and not so much which regulation element says to do what.
A person who is blind interacting with the text displayed on screen would need audio description if that onscreen text was meaningful/essential content.
A deaf but sighted person wouldn't need it in the closed captions.
A deaf-blind user would likely need that text as audio description and rather than listening to the video and would likely use a refreshable Braille device so perhaps needs both the closed captions and the audio description.
These able player examples help imagine ways to do the process:
https://ableplayer.github.io/ableplayer/demos/
Doug Hayman
IT Accessibility Coordinator
Information Technology
Olympic College
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Hi,
I thought that I saw once where any on-screen text in a video that's not spoken needs to be in the captions, but I can't find it. So maybe my memory is faulty? The W3C example video does not have the on-screen text at the beginning of the video in the caption. The link for that video is
https://www.w3.org/WAI/perspective-videos/captions/
Is it required to put on-screen text from a video in the captions and this is just a bad example, or is it not required? Maybe it's just good practice?
Thank you,
Mike
Mike Warner
Director of IT Services
MindEdge Learning
From: Dean.Vasile@outlook.com
Date: Fri, Mar 22 2024 9:25AM
Subject: Re: - does unspoken on-screen text in videos need to be in thecaptions and transcript?
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Hello there, Doug.
Personally my opinion is that it should be in a transcript.
Or like you said in the audio description
However, as you said sided people will most likely be able to read the text but people reading a transcript wonât know itâs there unless it is in the transcript
Dean Vasile
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> On Mar 22, 2024, at 11:16â¯AM, Hayman, Douglass < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
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> My thoughts are audience-based and not so much which regulation element says to do what.
>
> A person who is blind interacting with the text displayed on screen would need audio description if that onscreen text was meaningful/essential content.
>
> A deaf but sighted person wouldn't need it in the closed captions.
>
> A deaf-blind user would likely need that text as audio description and rather than listening to the video and would likely use a refreshable Braille device so perhaps needs both the closed captions and the audio description.
>
> These able player examples help imagine ways to do the process:
> https://ableplayer.github.io/ableplayer/demos/
>
>
> Doug Hayman
> IT Accessibility Coordinator
> Information Technology
> Olympic College
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> (360) 475-7632
>
>
>
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> Hi,
>
> I thought that I saw once where any on-screen text in a video that's not spoken needs to be in the captions, but I can't find it. So maybe my memory is faulty? The W3C example video does not have the on-screen text at the beginning of the video in the caption. The link for that video is
> https://www.w3.org/WAI/perspective-videos/captions/
>
> Is it required to put on-screen text from a video in the captions and this is just a bad example, or is it not required? Maybe it's just good practice?
>
> Thank you,
> Mike
>
> Mike Warner
> Director of IT Services
> MindEdge Learning
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From: Mike Warner
Date: Mon, Mar 25 2024 7:49AM
Subject: Re: does unspoken on-screen text in videos need to be in the captions and transcript?
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Thanks, everyone. Great explanation that the caption is an alternative to
the audio for sighted users. Most, if not all, of our transcripts have the
on-screen text.
Mike
Mike Warner
Director of IT Services
MindEdge Learning